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Old 04-27-2011, 07:26 PM
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Fairmonts are forged and you can run a car over them and they will still be fine. Can't do that with a Malco.

Faimonts bend an inch and an eight. Actually outside bend gives I think 3/16" with the radius.
I looked up what one company calls fairmont tongs, which can be foulnd here http://www.tinnerstools.com/fa91oftowicu.html, and they look exactly the same as my midwest offset tongs, as seen here http://www.tinmantech.com/html/midwest_seamer.php and are actually cheaper than the midwest. So I agree, fairmonts/midwest are best. The fairmonts I've used before were different, had a little less of an offset and only bent an inch.

I never said anything about malco tongs in my post before but I will now, they are terrible tongs.
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Old 04-27-2011, 07:41 PM
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Okay; As the great research analyst I am and lover of my sheet metal hand tools, I found a bit of history on the Fairmonts and inquired about their changes in the late 80's when the pre 80's have 'W.F. Gammeter, Cadiz Ohio' stamped on them. I found the big wheel and here is a partial of his respinse to me:
Iíll mention that, no, we have never heard that the current Fairmont Tongs made by Everhard Products, Inc.(since 1987) are not as strong as the ďold onesĒ. They are still made with the same forging processes as they have always been made. The equipment that produces them is perhaps a bit more advanced; hence slightly better consistency than many of the old ones we used to see in the 80ís. We used to have to sort out a lot of scrap in those days.

Everhard is a family owned business that bought the WF Gammeter Company around 1988 and we have been making the Fairmont tongs ever since. The only change we have made is to change from the solid pin to the spring pin and adding measurement lines to the jaws. The spring pin has proven to be as durable as the solid pin while allowing a more consistent opening and closing of the jaws from tong to tong. Since Iíve been here in 1987, we have never received a returned broken Fairmont Tong that I know of.

Everhard also bought Klenk Tools in 2002 just as they were starting to import a Fairmont Tong copy from Taiwan with the Klenk Tool name on it. It also was a pretty solid tool and a nice copy but of course we are partial to our own USA made Fairmont Tong. We no longer produce the imported Klenk Tong however there are still some out there for sale Iím sure.


So I have sprung a lot of Malco's and bent some others when I used to work the installations daily and my hands could break a pair of snip blades. I never could spring a pair of Fairmonts and Like the man said: "Never known of one pair returned."

When I say tough, I mean tough as forged steel. (Maybe I can work as sales for them since now I am a scientific tongs analyst specialist.)



I learn a lot about tools through extensive research and testing. I like Wiss and many others but Malco to me is like the other posters say about it. I can break those. Break Wiss snips too but I think they last longer. Some others in snips might be better also. Just haven't gotten back to work yet here to try them out.
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Old 04-28-2011, 04:13 PM
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No Shizz I bought a pair of tongs from H/F and I swear they are the same as the $60. pair of malco I've had for years. $6.00 dupree
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Old 04-29-2011, 05:12 AM
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No Shizz I bought a pair of tongs from H/F and I swear they are the same as the $60. pair of malco I've had for years. $6.00 dupree
Malcos have come down I think, there like only 40.00 bucks now.
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Old 04-29-2011, 07:44 AM
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The fact that Fairmont is forged tough and only two piece plus the hinge pin and the malco's have sheet metal handles which are bent into a channel and lots of loose pins and half a dozen or so pieces to them is why they get sprung and loose quickly. Maybe under normal use for light work they can hold up but ones I used get so sloppy that they rattle like a loose bucket of parts. Fairmonts - tight and right forever. Plus for being 10 or 15 times a Malco they are very inexpensive compared:

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Old 04-29-2011, 06:42 PM
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The fact that Fairmont is forged tough and only two piece plus the hinge pin and the malco's have sheet metal handles which are bent into a channel and lots of loose pins and half a dozen or so pieces to them is why they get sprung and loose quickly. Maybe under normal use for light work they can hold up but ones I used get so sloppy that they rattle like a loose bucket of parts. Fairmonts - tight and right forever. Plus for being 10 or 15 times a Malco they are very inexpensive compared:

http://www.tinnerstools.com/fa91stto.html
it depends on what you are doing. The Malco are compound action so you can use less effort squeezing or flattening. I carry Malco, Fairmont and even visegrips. dupree
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:01 PM
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Which ones open further? I had a straight pair of malcos once that I purposely broke to open further to clinch a seam on a standing seam roof and also to lock the panel to the drip edge, it worked better than a normal pair just for that purpose. (I think we bent the stop out of the way) I'm buying a pair of fairmonts this week, I'll let you know if there worth there salt. I know those vise grip ones suck, other than the clamping action. I don't know about carrying three sets of seamers though, you'd rattle and clank when moving around. hahaha
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Old 04-29-2011, 10:20 PM
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Man what I'd give to have all kinds of tools on me that rattled and clanked all of the time. Kind of makes me feel important. People get out of your way when you're carrying something. Holds you down in a strong wind too.
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Old 04-30-2011, 04:56 AM
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Man what I'd give to have all kinds of tools on me that rattled and clanked all of the time. Kind of makes me feel important. People get out of your way when you're carrying something. Holds you down in a strong wind too.
If U think i ment to say i carry all the tongs at the same time U R mistaken my friend. When I'm on a job the lighter the better. Figure out what you'er gonna do and what you'll need to do it and only take that with you. It's not difficult. P.S. I have 2 pair if the Malco style one is loser than the other and i have at least 3 pairs of Visegrip tongs. U think i carry all that with me or on me? hahahaha dupree

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Old 04-30-2011, 11:14 AM
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Hey you laugh, but we had a guy once that you could hear coming at ya 200' away with all the stuff he carried, (sounded like my ladder rack with a loose ladder) when we fired him he tried to say that his back was damaged from us making him carry so many tools. Him or the lawyer didn't collect. Another one that wasn't worth a damn, he was a glorified helper, a pair of hands and had 10 yrs. experience with a commercial roofing outfit. Yeah! those were the days.
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